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After calling zero women witnesses for their contraceptive hearing, GOP bans Democratic hearing with female witnesses from C-SPAN

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At the now infamous no-girlz-allowed birth control policy hearing Rep. Darrell Issa held last week, the Democrats had one witness they wanted to speak in the first panel. Unbelievably (to the GOP), it was a woman. Sandra Fluke, a third-year student at Georgetown Law and past president of the school’s Students for Reproductive Justice group, was slated to speak about how the policy would actually affect women.

The horror.

So Democrats have decided to hold their own hearing, an unofficial one because they are in the minority in the house, with Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi spearheading the effort. But here's how much Republicans want the discussion of women's health to be limited entirely to male theologians: they aren't allowing the hearing to be broadcast.

Pelosi aides say the House recording studio has denied a request to broadcast the event, “apparently” at the behest of the Republican-controlled Committee on House Administration.

Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill pointed to a July 2008 decision in which the committee lifted restrictions on use of the studio.

“If Chairman [Dan] Lungren has reversed this policy, he has done so in secret and not consulted with CHA Democrats,” Hammill said in an email. “This leaves us only to think that the House Republican leadership is acting out yet again to silence women on the topic of women’s health.”

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Paul William Tenny

They said they were going to create jobs. They said they were going to make America better.

All they've done is restarted the culture wars, mostly against women, tried to backdoor ban abortion in violation of the Constitution, take away voting rights, and water down anti-corruption legislation meant to ban insider trading in Congress, and now clearly hate the first amendment.

The far right radicals in the House are making the Bush administration look moderate by comparison. They are so far out of the mainstream that their extremism is going to cost them dearly this fall.

  • 72 votes
#1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:12 PM EST
Fla Pat

They are so far out of the mainstream that their extremism is going to cost them dearly this fall.

I truly think it will cost them dearly for generations to come. They attack women's rights, their policies enrich the already well-to-do at the expense of the middle class and low income sectors, there is no appeal to the youth of the country and they are driving any hope of appeal to Hispanic (fastest growing demographic) and minority voters into the ground.

Pretty soon they will have only old rich white men as their base and will be able to see the dwindling support from them daily by reading the obits in any newspaper.

  • 35 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:19 PM EST
HappyToSeeYa

Teapublicon are liars. A good example is Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell.

Last night, Rachel Maddow reported how Gov. McDonnell claims that he evolved past the thinking that he presented in his Regent University thesis. Well, according to Rachel, 10 of the 14 reactionary points noted in that thesis have seen action towards being enacted.

Not bad for a lying, bait-and-switch Catholic whose life-changing education came out of Regent University.

  • 34 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:20 PM EST
outragious

Lets call Republican Issa's "hearing" what it is: The He-Man Women Haters Club Meeting!!!!!

  • 34 votes
#1.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:41 PM EST
GaryColumbus

I hope that women do find their voice above Republican objection. My mother is a devout Catholic and she is the type to do what her church tells her her heart is supposed to do. How many others will do the same because they feel compelled because of church bullying and bigotry?

I asked my mother and her husband if they could vote for a Mormon. Her husband said (he's the type who listens to Limbaugh almost religiously), that he couldn't vote for a guy named Mitt let alone any Mormon. So I asked him about Gingrich and of course he said he couldn't vote for a guy named Newt. This was before Santorum gained momentum so I imagine their church is going to push and pull for their devoutness in voting instead of staying home like many people will. So much for separation of church and state eh?

  • 14 votes
#1.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:43 PM EST
cozmose

I dont consider myself that far left . But , I cannot comprehend where the republicans found these crazy policymakers . We had one republican in my state that claimed the GIRL SCOUTS was an organization that trained girls to be lesbian and worked for and supported planned parenthood .

These people hate the poor the workingclass women any country that is handy to go to war with at the time , latinos , they really hate women !!!! I am voting straight democrat just to get the stench out of the legislatures locally and nationally . All the crap women have to put up with and these morons are making things worse for women .

  • 17 votes
#1.5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:48 PM EST
jwc2blue

he couldn't vote for a guy named Mitt he couldn't vote for a guy named Newt.

You should have asked him how he feels about guys named John (as in Kennedy.)

  • 8 votes
#1.6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:07 PM EST
michelle-1073610

Eight Tpub states have passed invasive ultrasound laws in the last two years, thanks to the Tea Party for their insane candidates. Of course the Tpubs don't want any news coverage, the don't give a fat damn if women don't want electronic rape, they will sneak around and quietly change the laws. Put the Dem hearings on national news, all women need to know how far the righties have already taken their extreme views. Time is short, our rights are being stripped daily by the Tpubs and sane people across the nation need to get into the fight.

  • 19 votes
#1.7 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:18 PM EST
David Walker

While watching this full-scale assault on women, I must confess, I am every bit as angry with women as I am with the male attackers.

In the main, women raise us. That was certainly the case in my home after my father decided that four kids was more than he could handle. Even when fathers stick around, the child-rearing duties still fall mainly to women, even as they hold full-time jobs. They handle the shopping, provide the meals, and the transportation, and with all that, they are generally the ones who provide the TLC. Magnificent creatures, these women. Men do not have a lock on toughness or strength.

It was a woman who taught me to question rules and laws that serve no purpose but to concentrate power in the hands of power-hungry tyrants. Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be thoughtless pigs or overbearing bullies.

Truly, that power is in your hands. The fact is you teach our boys and girls how to treat women. Demand what is rightfully yours: RESPECT!

  • 17 votes
#1.8 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:16 PM EST
Ditto

Republicans, meet November. November, let me introduce you to today's Republicans.

  • 12 votes
#1.9 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:20 PM EST
Carl Lafoon

Hold the Hearing at the CNN news Headquarters.

CNN seems to be running a Republican debate every month maybe they would be willing to host a discussion on Abortion rights with Women as panel members.

The TeaPublicans are a crazy lot and need to be exposed on national TV.

  • 11 votes
#1.10 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:22 PM EST
Buckeye Voter

My mother is a devout Catholic and she is the type to do what her church tells her her heart is supposed to do. How many others will do the same because they feel compelled because of church bullying and bigotry?

The Catholic Church has already accepted the Administration's current position on this issue.

Republican mouthpieces that are falsely laying this at the feet of the Catholic Church do that religion harm - all in the name of scoring some political "points."

  • 9 votes
#1.11 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:04 PM EST
Mark R-338142

Oh please! Don't tell me that you expect freedom of speech from a Teapublican controlled House of Representatives? My God people, what have you been smoking? Teapublicans consider freedom of speech to be an absolute and sacred right but only to those who agree with them. Did you all not watch and experience that during townhall meetings when those with opposing views were shouted down and verbally abused and threatened. This latest manifestation is just a more 'civilised' form of that oppression and censorship.

And, should they take control of the Senate and/or the White House, it will get much worse, much more quickly. Religious, racial and gender intolerance will spread across America and make the stinking oil slicks from the DeepWater Horizon spill smell like a walk in a field on a summer day in comparison.

  • 8 votes
#1.12 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:10 PM EST
Topcat Roosevelt

This is the way they suppressed the minority when they held congress in the oughts...the Democrats lifted any such bans for the minority when they were in charge, now look at how afraid the GOPatriarchs are handling it. Women I hope to hear you roar in November against this sexist GOOPers...A womans place is in the House

And Senate

And Executive

  • 9 votes
#1.13 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:14 PM EST
Adler315

But here's how much Republicans want the discussion of women's health to be limited entirely to male theologians: they aren't allowing the hearing to be broadcast.

Why don't the Republicans just hold a congressional hearing on women's health issues with a panel of palace eunuchs from the Qing Dynasty? Such a sideshow would be equally incomprehensible and unenlightening with regard to the issue in question, but it would be far more entertaining and more colorful.

  • 9 votes
#1.14 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:19 PM EST
michelle-1073610

Thanks, Adler, boy, did I need that laugh, and mind picture to take to bed with me tonight. LOL

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:29 PM EST
whatthetruth52

women you are in the drivers seat...get out and vote...get rid of these @!$%#s.

  • 9 votes
#1.16 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:31 PM EST
DEATHNELL J.

I hope that ALL republican women are made aware of the dog collar and leash these "less government" republican theocratic misogynists are wanting to put around their necks!

  • 8 votes
#1.17 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:54 PM EST
mountainmike-1199289

Too bad Merlin isn't with us to turn those men into women, sort of an instant transgender operation by way of fairie dust.

OK, how about a female Sargent of arms for congress, Matilda the Hun. Every male legislator that proposed vaginal probes gets an instant penis probe, with one of those colon-ostophy cameras, and broadcast for the entire legislature to see on state of the art, wide screen, high definition, 3-d television?

  • 7 votes
#1.18 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:15 PM EST
tweetheart44

Hey, that's a good idea. Every man that get s a woman pregnant out of wedlock will have to undergo a penis probe. Very funny!

  • 7 votes
#1.19 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:30 AM EST
WaltUU

What I find really frustrating is that if the Democrats regain the House in the fall, they won't inflict their majority power in the incredibly petty ways that the Republicans are here: While the Democrats in majority won't pander or kowtow to right-wing reactionary policy efforts, they'll surely let them have their own say, with their own unofficial hearings.

There is definitely a political disadvantage to being the compassionate and considerate political party instead of the callous, uncaring, dictatorial political party.

  • 5 votes
#1.20 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:48 AM EST
Non_Neocon

They want to block the Dem hearings from C-Span because they would show these republicans to be the radical relics from the dark ages that they truly are. They would demonstrate to the people just how little they really care for the rights of people who disagree with their radical religious ideology.

  • 5 votes
#1.21 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:44 AM EST
Cygnus_X-1

Vote out your rep if they're one of these GOPTP clowns. You can't do anything about another district's rep, but look at your own rep and see if they're one of the culprits in the HOR.

  • 5 votes
#1.22 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:06 AM EST
GaryColumbus

The Catholic Church has already accepted the Administration's current position on this issue.

That's what drives bigotry out of mouths like Santorum's! The GOP knows that their wolf style of political tactics can drive evangelicals like the sheep they are! And they will blame the Administration for Indoctrination when it's actually the Republican Party using the Indoctrinating tactics.

  • 5 votes
#1.23 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:12 AM EST
AL-1735815

Maybe women should introduce the GOP/Teahadist to real birth control.....

"GOP/Teahadists say Hello to your right hand.... "

  • 4 votes
#1.24 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:18 AM EST
thisbusymonster

What I find really frustrating is that if the Democrats regain the House in the fall, they won't inflict their majority power in the incredibly petty ways that the Republicans are here:

Such is the danger of actually respecting the process of Democracy.

It is crystal clear from their actions that the Repubs do not.

  • 4 votes
#1.25 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:20 AM EST
MartyMoose

Oh wait, they had their little meeting after all and they called just this one girl to testify. It even got broadcasted.

I'm sure everyone here will be lining up to declare how pleased they were that the Republicans actually aren't out to silence people.

    #1.26 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:11 AM EST
    rwalker-2504195

    I think its about time to see what happens when we have a democratic president who is empowered and is tired of offering olive branches to the opposition, who only seem bent on unilateral destruction. Lets see what happens when that pissed off president has a super majority to back him up.

    Vote out the obstructionists. We march into the future starting in 2012

    • 3 votes
    #1.27 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:41 AM EST
    Slinger-958418

    Actually I find all this hilarious. The Republicans really are showing what they are all about and it ISN'T freedom, and liberty for all with LESS government. The more articles I see like this the more delighted I become! Simply because who could possibly vote for these nutjobs?

    My daughter (sadly a Republican), has now turned completely against the Republican party because of their antics and hypocrisy.. I laugh every day when I see her remarks AGAINST this party that is less about making America a better place AND MORE about controlling every aspect of womens lives and throwing America back to the Stone age......

    • 5 votes
    #1.28 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:42 PM EST
    RaisedByWolves

    Women across the country might have to say they are Republican to avoid their family's wrath or a husband's fists, but you can bet that when she is in the voting both, no way will she vote for these evil mofos.

    • 2 votes
    #1.29 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:06 PM EST
    blaze1024

    Women across the country might have to say they are Republican to avoid their family's wrath or a husband's fists, but you can bet that when she is in the voting both, no way will she vote for these evil mofos.

    That's probably a lot more common then most conservatives would like to believe. My wife knows quite a few woman who are married to right wing limbaugh type radicals who have told her that while on the surface they may appear to agree with their husbands they actually don't and are merely pretending they and when it comes time to vote they vote the opposite of their spouses.

    That should give you an idea of how repressive it must be for a woman to be living with a conservative minded spouse. How sad and difficult it must be to be living in a relationship where you are afraid to express your own true political and social ideas and simply resort to agreeing with your spouse to keep the family peace. Probably in part explains the high devoice rates we see. I'm sure that once the kids are on their own and out of the house's many of these woman leave their spouses.

    • 1 vote
    #1.30 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:11 PM EST
    RaisedByWolves

    It's a tough life for the trapped woman. Usually, they have no ability to provide for themselves and their children and they are doomed to the insanity of a life without hope.

      #1.31 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:15 PM EST
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      amelio

      The far right radicals in the House are making the Bush administration look moderate by comparison

      I know. Was thinking that very thought just this morning. They're even more extreme than the neocons.

      • 16 votes
      Reply#2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:49 PM EST
      HappyToSeeYa

      I thought that a neocon was on the radical right but now, the radical right is so far to the right that Faux News and neocons seem moderate [the operating word is 'seem']

      • 14 votes
      #2.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:11 PM EST
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      Mike-2260639

      GOP bans Democratic hearing with female witnesses from C-SPAN

      What can they do if the Democrats basically tell the fascist party to go @!$%# themselves and have it aired anyway? Doesn't C-Span have a say in this? What about that pesky 1st Amendment thing?

      • 12 votes
      Reply#3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:13 PM EST
      Paul William Tenny

      C-SPAN has no say. It's in the deal with C-SPAN that the House and Senate controls the cameras and stuff, and the majority has absolute authority.

      • 12 votes
      #3.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:13 PM EST
      Mike-2260639

      What about a cable network like CNN, MSNBC, FOX? Would there be an issue with that?

      • 4 votes
      #3.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:23 PM EST
      Topcat Roosevelt

      Only C-Span has the right to broadcast from any congressional venue I believe. I hope the venue can at least be taped and aired later on and if they can't I would hope that its taped by personal device and then leaked. Its egregious that the majority should pull this @!$%# then whine they are oppressed when they are the minority.

      • 6 votes
      #3.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:18 PM EST
      bubbling

      I wonder if there is a way to pressure C-Span. I as well hope that it at least is taped and then leaked. I am angry that they will get away with not allowing it to be viewed. They just are not smart enough to know that these types of behaviors just make them look worse.

        #3.4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:30 PM EST
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        skeptic-227981

        Maybe I missed something in some Poli Sci class, or didn't take the right one, but can someone explain to me why the Dems can't just turn on the cameras, or in lieu of the censorship, simply hold those hearings somewhere that the right wing can't censor that is covered by CSPAN - or some other venue? Couldn't this be a joint committee hearing between House and Senate and let the Senate cameras roll? How does the GOP get the power to censor any committee hearing? Those are OUR committees!

        • 7 votes
        Reply#4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:28 PM EST
        Paul William Tenny

        The majority in each chamber controls the cameras, not C-SPAN. They literally have political aids sitting at the switchboard. This isn't the first time this has happened.

        • 7 votes
        #4.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:15 PM EST
        skeptic-227981

        OK, then, that needs to be changed. No party should have control over 'transparency' such as this situation demonstrates. Wasn't it the GOP who has been screaming at the top of their lungs about Obama not being transparent enough? (s)

        In the meantime, since the majority controls in each chamber, maybe that joint committee idea would be the solution for right now. Hold the hearings in the Senate chamber. :)

        • 10 votes
        #4.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:04 PM EST
        JKiff

        It makes you wonder what else is going on when "the cameras are off."

        • 5 votes
        #4.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:21 PM EST
        rwalker-2504195

        Their form of transparency is only letting the info that they want public to be released...regardless of the facts

        • 1 vote
        #4.4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:43 AM EST
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        mike the vet

        How many ways to tell women they don't count can the Republicans think up.

        • 15 votes
        Reply#5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:30 PM EST
        MDC-441879

        Welcome to the new teapublican sharia law.

        • 15 votes
        Reply#6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:35 PM EST
        mstanley2265

        skeptic, the camera's are in the US Congressional House, as is the meeting. They are suppose to allow the camera's on since 2008. Apparently, the Republicans don't care for transparency as much in gov't as they should.

        To have a valid Congressional meeting, it's suppose to be in the Congressional Chambers. Not off campus so to speak. Whether, the Democrats will take it to the Senate, is unknown.

        Paul said it all in his comment...I can't add to it. :)

        • 10 votes
        #6.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:49 PM EST
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        kj031056-1

        After calling zero women witnesses for their contraceptive hearing, GOP bans Democratic hearing with female witnesses from C-SPAN

        Well, isn't that special!

        They said they were going to create jobs.

        They won't have to create any jobs, if the only thing a woman can do is stay home and be a babymaker......

        They said they were going to make America better.

        Their idea of better and my idea of better are two completely different ideals....

        • 16 votes
        Reply#7 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:44 PM EST
        mtpromises

        kj, I think you've figured it out... if they ban women to the home, then there will be lots of jobs opening up for men

        They won't have to create any jobs, if the only thing a woman can do is stay home and be a babymaker......

        • 1 vote
        #7.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:48 AM EST
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        Vlad's dog

        Oh those tricky little fellas, we won't ever figure out what they are doing here. LOL

        • 11 votes
        Reply#8 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:52 PM EST
        MNguy1

        If the Dems had a brain (I know, that is a tall order...) they would make use of social media and put their hearing out on YouTube, then get a full blown facebook & twitter campaign going. Nobody pays attention to CSPAN except policy wonks and good government types. The action is in the tweet-sphere. Just ask the Egyptians, Libyans, Syrians about how important social media is to supporting their crowd sourced revolutions. It will work just fine here in the US.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#9 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:54 PM EST
        larry ling

        MNguy1 Excellent suggestion ! So what, it won't be an official sanctioned congressional hearing and entered into the official record, but it doesn't matter anyway since the GOP congressional hearing was a sham anyway and everyone knows it. The congressional women should proceed on their own, film it, and air it on YouTube. I would bet it would go viral in a couple of hours ! The GOP men would go absolutely ape@!$%# by being upstaged by not only DEM women but also very likely GOP women too (unless they were threatened with censorship and punished by the GOP male leadership for participating).

        • 8 votes
        #9.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:45 PM EST
        Topcat Roosevelt

        MNgy

        If repubs had brains ,they wouldn't stifle debate when the same rule could be used against them when being as they are very close to becoming the minority again...if cons had brains they wouldn't try to use female contraception as a political football in a country where women are the largest groups of voters. And Social media, no dip like we didn't already gleen that one genius, but they have to make sure there want be any legal repercussions or it used as an excuse for republican autocrats to further deprive the minority their voice...

        • 4 votes
        #9.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:32 PM EST
        follow the money

        That name....

        Darryl Issa.....vaguely familiar.........bingo! I got it:

        Embracing Regulatory Capture....wants the oil industry, drug manufacturers and other trade groups and companies to tell him which Obama administration regulations to target this year.

        http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/01/04/199527/embracing-regulatory-capture/?mobile=nc

        • 1 vote
        #9.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:43 AM EST
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        Sharon J-1312993

        I do not know what the "rules" are but this is about women and to say no women makes them look way past ignorant. Do they think we do not vote? Ladies Ido not care which religious affiliation you have you must know this is so very wrong. Are we going to take a giant step backwards in this country? We need to get out in numbers and vote.

        • 14 votes
        Reply#10 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:03 PM EST
        TheyreAllCrooks

        What woman in her right mind would ever vote for these teaclowns?

        • 16 votes
        Reply#11 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:04 PM EST
        common sense-353470

        Because only an all male group can be trusted to set policy for women.

        • 8 votes
        Reply#12 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:19 PM EST
        Maggie-602935

        This is a surprise?

        • 5 votes
        Reply#13 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:26 PM EST
        Pattie in Maryland

        Have the Republicans really adopted a strategy that the best way to get people to vote for them is to insult and alienate the voters totally? It's beyond illogical, to the point of being downright psychotic.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#14 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:45 PM EST
        steve3003

        It's beyond illogical, to the point of being downright psychotic.

        Ladies and gentlemen meet the republican party.

        • 1 vote
        #14.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:20 AM EST
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        Spike Eng2

        Unlike the Red Threat the Republicon,s are real .

        • 2 votes
        Reply#15 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:23 PM EST
        bilrewaDeleted
        Grisham

        And yet I've seen women defend these unjust, misogynist laws. Great seed and I hope women fight these horrible laws in the coming months.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#17 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:49 PM EST
        tweetheart44

        The best way to fight back is to vote the bastards out of office!

        I wish that a reporter would ask Ricky Santorum if he was a virgin when he got married.

        • 5 votes
        #17.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:53 AM EST
        rwalker-2504195

        I'm sure he has tempered himself to that lie..besides...every dude has a gay experience in college...some just bury it deeper than others...

        You are right, though...VOTE THEM OUT!

        • 1 vote
        #17.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:47 AM EST
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        Better Careful

        Republicans have no qualms about subverting democracy and the democratic process. They are authoritarian, fascist, and tyrannical. They are only getting worse. We dare not let them return to power; get involved in the electoral process. Get out the vote.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#18 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:53 PM EST
        Mofongo

        OMG, how damned stupid are these Republican idiots? Why don't they just play Russian Roulette with a semi-auto handgun. It'd be quicker and less messy.

        Put aside the logic defying crusade to exclude women from any discusion about their own healthcare issues, I can't believe the apparent bizarre desire to publicly commit political suicide. There is no rational explanation.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#19 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:10 PM EST
        Bill K. NY

        The issue was Obama's attack on religion in violation of the First Amendment. Obama is using the bogus argument of women's health that is not affected one way or the other by the challenge of the dictatorial decree.

          Reply#20 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:13 PM EST
          Mofongo

          I care about women, they're real. I could give a rats butt about your God. He/She/It is a fictional creation that simply doesn't matter.

          • 7 votes
          #20.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:18 PM EST
          ScienceGuy-356641

          No employer should have the right to impose their own religious mores onto their employees.

          • 9 votes
          #20.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:29 PM EST
          Bill K. NY

          Thank you for stating your liberal theology.

            #20.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:32 PM EST
            Jeff-3469909

            Bill didn't you and I already establish that Liberalism cannot by the definition of theology, be a theology?

            • 6 votes
            #20.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:05 PM EST
            Bill K. NY

            Nope, we didn't.

              #20.5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:04 PM EST
              Paul William Tenny

              The issue was Obama's attack on religion in violation of the First Amendment.

              Obama is a practicing Christian, your statement makes no sense whatsoever.

              • 10 votes
              #20.6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:51 AM EST
              mtpromises

              contraception is a heath issue, it has absolutely nothing to do with religion...religions just want to make it their issue.... I just wish religion would stay out of government like advertised

              • 4 votes
              #20.7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:50 AM EST
              Rockwater-1211171

              Bill is entitled to his totalitarian theology which oppresses (at a minimum) 50% of the population of the world and relegates them to the status of chattel. By the theology, women MUST be subservient to the whims of the male, have no individual rights, and must submit to the prurient wants/needs of the male without objection. Women are no more than breeding stock and servants to attend to the home needs of the male (cooking, cleaning, sex, etc).

              To use the contraception coverage issue as a crux in regard to a (fallacious) claim of First Amendment rights is a bogus argument. To do so, then they (the self righteous zealots) MUST promulgate, in addition, the following laws:

              1. It shall be illegal to allow any person to display and icons/text/images, or engage in any act/speech which invokes any "god"/faith/creed than that/those deemed "christian".

              2. It shall be illegal to require any enterprise which interacts with the general public to allow the patronage of anyone not of the "christian" faith.

              3. It shall be illegal to sell foods in violation of the required rules of the "christian" faith. As such ALL restaurants/stores MUST be Kosher.

              One of the basic tenets of the "christian" faith is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". This means, do not deny them their beliefs, do not harm them, do not insult them, do not require them to be beholden to beliefs or acts which are not in their best interests. As such, it is anti-christian to deny health insurance provisions which are needed or wanted. It is not to say that "christians" must avail themselves of contraception/abortion, but they must make such services available to others - for to deny such services is to allow others to deny "christians" the right to not avail themselves of medical procedures which violate the tenets of the non-"christian" faith's beliefs.

              Why are the "christians" who profess to "be bound by the tenets of the bible" not require their flock (and those who they do business with) to preclude the meat of animals with cloven hooves/and various sea food from sale/purchase/diet? By virtue of the rules of the "holy book" (IMO written by those who had a personal dietary/other agenda) then, in keeping with the "reproductive issues", they should be eshewing, and with equal vehemence, arguing against, the general people's ability to eat these foods. Yet, somehow, these self-same people demand the ability to sell/eat such foods in their "religiously based" hospitals/clinics/businesses. Hypocrisy!!!

              GROSS hypocrisy - and the "sin of pride" (holier than thou") is all anyone with a mind sees in the actions of these zealots.

              Seems to me that the issues are rather selectively enforced/argued about.

              People worry about the virulence of "Islamic invasion"- it is in-controvertibly the same with the infection of the "christian invasion" and either's attempts to suppress the rights of others to be served/treated in compliance with the rights, and freedoms, with which humanity is due.

              • 1 vote
              #20.8 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:46 PM EST
              Michelle-340891

              Bill: Explain please why it's an attack on religion when Obama does it, but not when GOTP state governments mandate the EXACT SAME POLICY? In fact, Iowa doesn't even give exemptions for churches. And that was passed by a GOTP held governor AND state government. Yet, that was completely okay to the GOTP. WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD?

              I've asked you before to explain that, but for some reason, you keep ignoring it and restating your erroneous bull@!$%#.

              Maybe because it's yet another example of the HYPOCRISY of the GOTP playing "gotcha" politics?

              Your right to religion "freedom" STOPS the second it invades MY right of privacy or MY right to freedom FROM religion.

              • 9 votes
              #20.9 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:19 PM EST
              relativetowhat

              Your right to religion "freedom" STOPS the second it invades MY right of privacy or MY right to freedom FROM religion.

              and vice versa?

                #20.10 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:58 PM EST
                Michelle-340891

                relative: Explain to me how having insurance companies cover birth control - a medical necessity for MANY women - is FORCING you to do anything? But it seems it's okay to let ANY business not cover ANY practice THEY find "against their morals." That is the stated position of many in the GOTP.

                It either is or isn't the right of government to interject into our private lives. The GOTP claims the government can't do this, but yet, they keep trying to mandate BIG GOVERNMENT into my uterus. Explain how that ISN'T interfering in my personal life? Tell me how mandating transvaginal sonograms ISN'T state-sanctioned rape, when it clearly falls under the FBI's definition (and Virginia state's definition) of rape?

                • 2 votes
                #20.11 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:05 PM EST
                LassenPark

                relative, no one is forcing you to use contraception or pay for anyone else to use it. Your religious freedom in completely intact; now leave everyone else who have different beliefs alone and allow them to enjoy the same freedom you have unmolested.

                • 2 votes
                #20.12 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:13 PM EST
                RaisedByWolves

                Really - the tyranny of the majority is what relative wants. It doesn't work that way or I'd take out the 40-plus % of my taxes that are given to the industrial/military complex and sleep better without the karmic stain. But we are here, Americans all, and we take care of our own (thanks, Bruce).

                • 1 vote
                #20.13 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:17 PM EST
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                relativetowhat

                The first house hearing was on freedom of religion.

                  Reply#21 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:46 PM EST
                  Rockwater-1211171

                  Read that "freedom to oppress/discriminate based on 'my' personal beliefs".

                  • 1 vote
                  #21.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:48 PM EST
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                  Jeff-3469909

                  Well who didn't know by now that the GOP and the religious right thinks women have one specific role to play, and that is incubator.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#22 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:04 PM EST
                  Bill K. NY

                  No liberal or socialist, that's for sure.

                    #22.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:05 PM EST
                    Topcat Roosevelt

                    Bill interesting. Thanks for conforming Jeffs point so openly...did you get that, 50.8% of the population in America?

                    • 4 votes
                    #22.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:51 AM EST
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                    markpup

                    This one kind of surprised me. I thought c-Span could record most whatever they want.

                    Plus - how big is the C-Span audience?

                    Realistically more people will watch now that the GOP refused it.

                      Reply#23 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:12 PM EST
                      Jeff-3469909

                      Well the Daily show and Colbert Report often show C-span footage which is why the GOP is so afraid of it.

                        #23.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:24 PM EST
                        markpup

                        Hmm good point.

                        I've noticed the Republicans shut down C-Span a number of times before.

                        I don't know why. All it does is draw more attention to whatever it is they're blocking out.

                        • 1 vote
                        #23.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:26 PM EST
                        Rockwater-1211171

                        I've noticed the Republicans shut down C-Span a number of times before.

                        I don't know why.

                        Obviously those who can not support their point of view with incontrovertible truth must resort to suppression of dissemination of the facts/alternate view points. This is the time tested tactic of tyrannical governments and individuals (heads of the Later Day Saints, Islamic Imams, CEO's who require "yes-men" only in their staff, J.E.Hoover, [insane] leaders such as Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, et aux) .

                        • 1 vote
                        #23.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:56 PM EST
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                        RobPlumley

                        Should this be any surprise to anyone?

                        It is unfortunate that women have to put up with this crap on a daily basis.

                        That said, I appeal to women to voice your concerns (and anger) to your local, county, state and federal elected officials to inform them that you make up 1/2 of the voting electorate, and you can kick their asses.

                          Reply#24 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:16 PM EST
                          tweetheart44

                          I was listening to the conservative talk show radio station this morning. One of the guys who has a show said that he was really disappointed that Bachmann wasn't still running for the nomination. Why? Because she had good ideas or because she was intellegent? Hell no! He said that he wished that she was still around because he thought that she was hot! Does that tell you something about how the Republicans see women?

                          Women.....do not let the Republican Party take away your rights. If they win the election, our rights to control our lives and our bodies will be stripped. Can you live with that? I certainly can't. This is just another reason why I left the Republican Party. Women are still considered to be second class citizens that cannot think for themselves and who should NEVER be an equal to a man. Nope, women are here to clean the house, make meals, have sex when they want it, etc. It just drives me crazy. Why are some women so subservient to men? Do they have such a low opinion and sense of self-worth for themselves? It's pathetic!

                            Reply#25 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:38 AM EST
                            Pattie in Maryland

                            The vast amount of Americans of the female variety still believe in the American, Good Ol'd USA variety of freedom. Women are ONE HALF OF SOCIETY, no matter where one goes on the planet. We are NOT subservient to the other half of society and never will be. This is no "war between the sexes". There are plenty of people out here in American society who have penises instead of vaginas and who are decent people ready to think, study, pray, and work along side of persons with vaginas to build a great and honorable nation, to build strong families and commumities along side their sisters. This is what pride is. This is what honor is. This is what integrity is: that one works with ones' compatriots for the good of the group.

                              #25.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:59 AM EST
                              tweetheart44

                              That doesn't appear to be what the majority of Republicans want these days.

                              • 2 votes
                              #25.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:03 AM EST
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                              tweetheart44

                              Women MUST think about the future of women's rights and vote against all Republicans in November who support taking away our rights.

                              It actually makes me a bit ill to see an all male GOP panel with ZERO women there to talk about THEIR reproductive rights. How can ANY intelligent women in this country see this action by the Republicans and not be appalled at their blatant disregard for women. It's beyond human comprehension.

                              OBAMA 2012!

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#26 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:45 AM EST
                              Jake-991574

                              @ tweetheart; thx for the friend BTW

                              Gawd it was like watching something from the Dark Ages. I thought we had progressed through the enlightenment. No self respecting rational being (male or female) should trust what any of these witches do. Let us march together against this oppression. This is not solely a woman issue, it is a human rights issue.

                              I'm working on an easy photo shop of this scene: cut out the background and insert; candle light, bricks, a few shackles, some quill pens and parchment on the desks (that damn red tie has to go).

                              • 1 vote
                              #26.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:45 AM EST
                              Memory-800098

                              I have never received so many emails from my lady senators from my home state of Washington to alert women as to how the GOP are attempting to axe women's rights. I then forward the emails to every woman and even my male friends to do the same and circle the wagons. I do not know of one woman who supports this backward campaign against women. Whilst all these attempts to set women back, there is a rebellion brewing to not allow these right wing fundies to control our lives.Our strongest weapon is our vote and we will be heard on election day.

                              • 3 votes
                              #26.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:15 PM EST
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